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Measuring Truth In Politics: A Wholesale Review Both Candidates For President

Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:51 AM EDT
politics, barack-obama, election, president, john-mccain, lies, analysis, true, honor, honesty, false, integrity, politifact, fact-checking, factcheck, falsehoods, indecision-2008, damned-lies
By Belarius

Using PolitiFact's archive of statements dating back to the beginning of the primaries, we can compare the overall ratings for Barack Obama and John McCain. Attacks are a subset of the statements.

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Perhaps the most frustrating aspect of modern politics is the extent to which dishonesty is rampantly encouraged by all involved. Oh sure, the media loves to condemn dishonesty in principle, but mainstream news outlets almost never calls out a particular candidate or campaign on specific counts. Today, you will essentially never hear a news anchor say "The statement made by the candidate is false." Instead, you will hear that "allegations" of falsehood have been made. In this way, dishonesty (or, more broadly, simply getting the facts wrong) is tolerated and even rewarded by the media, who would rather report on a cat fight than risk getting entangled in one themselves.

But the fault, in the end, lies not at the media's feet, but at our own. After all, we may sneer at the dishonesty of our opponents but almost never question the dishonesty of our own team. The explosive scattershot of criticisms leveled against Sarah Palin, for example, suggest a willingness by the left to immediately believe anything bad they hear about her, and the right's willingness to dismiss anything bad just as quickly. We, on both sides, allow the righteousness of our cause to subvert the integrity of our arguments. More generally, we have a voracious appetite for political gossip and a seemingly diminished curiosity in verification, which is an especially dangerous pairing.

Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics

Fortunately, some people are still diligently pursuing the Truth, no matter how much it hurts. Independent fact-checking sites such as Factcheck.org and PolitiFact.com are well-respected, independent arbiters who don't play favorites. For those of us who believe that candidates have a duty to tell us the truth (or at least make sure what they're saying isn't wrong), these fact checkers are inspiring.

Fact checkers also remind us of one of the fundamentals of politics: everybody lies, and everybody gets it wrong. We can quibble about the intent behind a particular statement, but we can often still verify its accuracy. And with this in mind, I put forth that even though no politician is perfect, the degree to which they rely on the truth is a sign of their integrity. With this in mind, I have gone through the archives of PolitiFact's review of politician assertions and would like to present some aggregate data.

The Data

PolitiFact first sorts a politician's assertions into two groups: "statements" and a subset of statements called "attacks." In general, statements relate to any topic while attacks relate to their opponents. They also rate assertions according to a six-point scale ranging from "True" to "Pants on Fire." Because they include these categorical ratings, we can assess the pattern of honesty/accuracy from each candidate.

The data present above stem from 227 statements (114 from Obama and 113 from McCain), including 72 attacks from each candidate directed at the other (30 from Obama and 42 from McCain). These attacks do not include the attacks by surrogates or by independent sources: they either come from the candidates themselves or from messages they have formally approved.

Analysis

Both Obama's statements and attacks (median of "Mostly True") are more accurate than McCain's statements (median of "Half True") or McCain's attacks (median of "Barely True"). In this regard, Obama has relied more heavily on the facts in his campaign than McCain has. In particular, McCain's attacks directed at Obama have relied far less on "True" or "Mostly True" attacks and far more on spin ("Half True" and "Barely True"). Additionally, McCain has made flatly false attacks ("False" and "Pants on Fire") with far greater frequency, about three times as often as Obama. It is notable also that Obama has yet to make any statement in the "Pants on Fire" category, although McCain has done so in multiple instances.

Among the results not shown in the graph are a number of interesting general effects. First, overall attacks by Democrats on Republicans has shown higher accuracy (median of "Half True") than Republican attacks against Democrats (median of "Barely True"), supporting the common intuition that Democrats have campaign more honestly than Republicans in this election cycle, regardless of who is speaking. However, while Democrats were roughly as honest regardless of their targets, Republicans have been more honest when attacking other Republicans (median of "Mostly True"). This largely results from the vicious primary season in which the very real gaps between various Republican candidates and the party platform were well-documented (such as Mitt Romney's moderate policies as governor or Rudy Giuliani's marital history), and openly used in intra-party attacks attacks.

One final observation is that rumors circulated through chain emails have an extremely poor degree of accuracy. Chain letters are most commonly (but not always) conservative, and have been the original source of many of the most absurd attacks in this political season. With a median of "False" and over a quarter of attacks in the "Pants on Fire" category, they unsurprisingly represent the absolute worst available source of facts. I bring this up in no small part because I would like to see Newsvine's comment threads free of copy-pasted chain letter propaganda.

Discussion

The first reaction I expect from McCain's water carriers is that these aggregate data are "proof" that PolitiFact is actually a partisan operation and that their data is a cherry-picked sample. This reflex, sadly, has become automatic and unconditional for many people (on both sides). I encourage them to visit PolitiFact (and Factcheck.org as well) to judge for themselves whether the fact-checking record is incomplete. I don't have high hopes for such partisans, however: once someone chooses news that tells them what they want to hear over news that reviews the evidence, it is very difficult to engage in a reasonable debate with them.

At the same time, supporters of both candidates will quibble over the magnitude or the meaning of various falsehoods. Was it a lie or a mistake? Did he botch a trivial detail or a pillar of presidential policy? What does this lie (vs. that lie) mean about his character or his mindset? These are not questions a quantitative analysis can convince anyone of. However, I do think the pattern of fact and falsehood says a lot about the kind of president a candidate is likely to be. Will he do his research or make things up on the fly? Does he care about getting it right, or just want to do damage? Is he willing to tell us the "big truth" with a little lie, or does he see truth as a more universal value?

I don't expect this analysis to radically change any minds, but I think it does provide some food for thoughts. If nothing else, I think the fact-checkers should be the first stop for more Americans thinking about speeches and commercials they have just seen. Instead of judging speeches on how they make us feel, we must judge them on what is said.

More generally, I believe the reason we let politicians get away with the "Big Lie" (i.e. you can get away with lying if you do so with enough repetition and conviction) is because we let their overall record of honesty escape us. In a given campaign season, a lot of things get said, and we tend to remember the last couple of scandals while letting the rest drift into the background. But if we don't keep track of what candidates have said in the past, it becomes very hard to hold them to their word. We are, in Gore Vidal's words, the "United States of Amnesia," barely keeping a grasp on the promises of yesterday while we scrutinize the gaffes of today. We can change that and, if we are to work towards politics that looks less like the tabloids, we must.

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JustinPM

I was thinking about putting up data like this, but I've been too busy with other things. Interesting article and interesting way to present that data.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:20 AM EDT
Belarius

Thanks!

I've poked around at some other angles on the data (looking at the data in terms of the target rather than in terms of the attacker, for example), but many of those sorts of analyses suffer from skewed sample size problems. McCain made very few attacks on Hillary during the primaries, for example, and many of the people reviewed (e.g. Sam Brownback) just didn't get the kind of national coverage for their comments to be consistently newsworthy. Looking at things in terms of just the candidates looks to be the least confounded analysis.

I just wish Factcheck.org had some grossly oversimplifying truthometer so I could compare their results. ;-)

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:30 AM EDT
JustinPM

Yeah, I tell you I've loved reading FactCheck and only recently found out about PolitiFact. The thing is, with these bipartisan efforts to check "truthiness" as Colbert would have it, why haven't their been retractions to false or misleading statements?

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:04 AM EDT
Belarius

Because that's not how the "Big Lie" gets told.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:08 AM EDT
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Lisa in CA

Wow, great article! Thanks for putting it together so judiciously.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:41 AM EDT
DaSunbum

Great article indeed. I get the St.Petersburg Times delivered daily. They take credit for originating PolitiFact. com.

The Fact Checkers may help the Independents and the Undecided vote for, Da Dog with the least Fleas .

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
ChuckD

DaSunbum:

Good paper, the Times. Since they're owned by the Poynter Institute, they're free to do truthful, objective reporting and aren't beholden to corporate masters like the vast majority of all forms of media in this country.

The line about the "liberal media" would be hilarious if so many ill-informed people didn't believe it.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
iarnuocon

Good job of illustrating the difference in "truthiness," Belarius. Clipped to my column.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
mhally

Great article...Can I vote for it twice?

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
Belarius

Newsvine's User Agreement dictates that I must reply "no." But voting for comments is like voting more than once, right? ;-)

I'm toying with some other analyses, but I fear they may be destined to relative obscurity here on the Vine. After all, with the front page's top spots being dominated by various partisan shouting matches (including, in the last few days, a massive glut of "McCain is dishonest" & "Palin is corrupt" stories), my poor bar charts don't stand a chance.

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
mhally

I'm afraid you might be correct. Both sides have dug their heels in so deep that no one is even interested in looking at the forest. They're all fighting over the trees.

Oh, by the way, I liked your response so much I voted for it.......as a matter of fact, all of your comments have been good so......... ;-)

  • 5 votes
#6.2 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
Belarius

Both sides have dug their heels in so deep that no one is even interested in looking at the forest.

Your comment turns out to have been timely: the gauntlet has since been thrown down on whiny, shouty negativity. I've responded in kind, but I don't imagine the comments will stay lovey-dovey for too long.

  • 2 votes
#6.3 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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The Good Doctor

You point at one of the biggest difficulties facing independent organizations -- for example, it appears that Sen. McCain is simply less concerned with factual accuracy (or is perhaps a "liar"), therefore an organization like factcheck.com will devote more pagespace and headlines to his inaccuracies than to Sen. Obama's. The default response from McCain's quarter has been (see Karl Rove's recent comments on Fox News) to argue that inequality in criticism can only indicate bias. This tactic has two advantages: it fits neatly into, and simultaneously benefits from and reinforces, the claim that the Media are institutionally biased against conservative candidates and ideas; it also inhibits processing inaccurate statements as such, because the allegation is automatically suspect.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
The Independent Man

Good Doctor....
I fully agree with this article's importance.

But your statement is more than absolutely puzzling.

If you lied twice, and I lied 3 times....Would you be more honest than me ?? ?? ?? ??
Would You be Better...than me?

If you Murdered once, and I twice...and another 3 times....are any of us LESS a murderer?
If this is logical to you....do you then mean to say you will vote for Obama over McCain because of a few points difference in one catagorey or other???????

My God man! Think!

It's statements like this that have cause me to write my article, "The Second Civil War in America?" You should read it.

People need to wake up.

  • 2 votes
#7.1 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
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The Independent Man

Belarius....
What a great job man !
Absolutely perfect. You've put up figures that that should be required reading by every voter.

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:32 AM EDT
oldlonghorn

mhally -

I think the basic premise of the article is right on the money. Both sides lie. However, I am always suspicious of statistics whether they are polls, surveys, from whatever source. When you start trying to reduce things to numbers there will always be a problem because of variables. When we see a chart that is conclusionary without the raw statistics and variables identified, we can be looking at "apples versus oranges." Belarius brought up a significant variable. Was this a measurement of all facts stated in the primary season. If so, then some of the lies may have been directed not to the opposing Party but to members in their own parties with which they were competing. That then brings into play the fact that Obama was essentially a front runner from the beginning of the primary while McCain went well into the primaries directing most of his comments to other Republicans in the early days. Obama was simply running against one candidate--Hillary.

We could speculate forever. I think most Americans today would agree that all American politicians "lie." In a perfect world that wouldn't happen. But we aren't, and it does. And the media stirs the pot to their liking. Until the media reports only facts and does not instigate newsworthy words or situations, they are a major variable.

That my friends is our quandary. Do you elect someone who lies? Yes. Do any of you really believe that any past American President didn't lie? The question for me is always--does that lie go to the essence of the candidate's character. My most recent example would be Clinton and the Lewinsky lies. In my opinion, that lie and the naturally occurring subsequent lies did reflect his character. He betrayed his own wife.

We all are left with deciding by whatever measuring criteria we personally have in receiving our vote. Unfortunately, some people use their particular political party talking points as the measure. Need I say more as to why Sarah Palin has been slandered, abused, and discarded by so many illogical and fanatical people.

    Reply#9 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
    Belarius

    If so, then some of the lies may have been directed not to the opposing Party but to members in their own parties with which they were competing. That then brings into play the fact that Obama was essentially a front runner from the beginning of the primary while McCain went well into the primaries directing most of his comments to other Republicans in the early days. Obama was simply running against one candidate--Hillary.

    That's actually not true as far as statements made. McCain had the nomination sewn up much earlier (February) than Obama did (June), and focused his attention almost exclusively on Obama subsequently. Hillary, for her part, also focused on Obama and basically ignored McCain. Obama was the only Democrat making substantive attacks against John McCain with any regularity during that gap.

    It's also worth noting that the subset of McCain's statements attacking Republicans were, in general, rated are far more "true" than his attacks against Democrats (the overwhelming majority of which have been directed at Obama); in this regard, McCain was typical among Republicans. This helps explain why McCain's honesty ratings are quite a bit lower in his attacks on Obama than his overall average: that average is being pulled up by his treatment of other Republicans.

    For this reason, I think that while the "Statements" data are relatively hard to interpret, the "Directed Attack" data are much more clear-cut. With the directed attacks, there's little question what the datum is: "X attacked Y," as opposed to "X said a bunch of stuff."

    If these data have a major weakness, it's likely the selection bias of "which statements Politifact chose to cover." While these limitations are, in many respects, perfectly reasonable, they represent only a tiny sample of "what was said" overall. In particular, some comments ("Sarah Palin killed the Bridge to Nowhere!") were repeated many more times than others, which seems like it should skew the data but, under the current model, does not. A comprehensive analysis would require data on how often each statement was repeated, and to how large an estimated audience, which frankly sounds like an awful lot of work for not a lot of payoff.

    Need I say more as to why Sarah Palin has been slandered, abused, and discarded by so many illogical and fanatical people.

    I would say there's a difference between the lies and slander leveled at Palin (which has certainly happened) and the demonstrable facts that have been brought up about Palin (which I won't bore anyone with here). There are certainly people who irrationally hate her, but others actually disagree with her politics very strongly, and pointing out those areas of disagreement is neither slander nor abuse.

    • 1 vote
    #9.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
    oldlonghorn

    Belarious - I know without a doubt you have devoted much more time that I in evaluating the validity of these figures. I do not dispute that. I would reiterate that I am always suspicious of quantifying by numbers when it is an evaluation of human behavior. That being said, I certainly do not dispute your assessments.

    My comments were meant to be a general appraisal of the honesty of politicians. I would never dispute their lies--and you can call them by whatever name they are--puffery, misdirection, bold out-and-out lies, but they all do that.

    My premise is that in voting for a President (or any other political candidate in a disputed election) will necessitate our overall evaluation of their character admitting that lies have been told. The degree of materiality or the degree of the lie will be subjective to all of us.

    But the alternative--simply not voting because of the lying is a bad choice. To abdicate what I consider the duty of a citizen (i.e., trying to be informed to the best of your ability, and then
    voting) is not a responsible position. We know one of these two men will be elected, so we should listen, discuss, evaluate, and VOTE.

    • 1 vote
    #9.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
    Belarius

    But the alternative--simply not voting because of the lying is a bad choice.

    We agree entirely. ;-)

    • 1 vote
    #9.3 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
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